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okhroust
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posted 01 October 2003 19:21     Click Here to See the Profile for okhroust   Click Here to Email okhroust     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for English, no time to type in Russian at the moment.
Here's the situation (my friend's, not mine). She is currently in the US on a green card (she married a citizen). Last year she invited her elderly (over 65) mom to come visit, her mom got the visa without any problems, but at the last moment she couldn't come for medical reasons. This year she just got rejected a visa on the grounds that she didn't use her visa last year. How can they do it??? Can they permanently ban a person from the US just because he or she is older and in non-so-great health???!!!!

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ttt111
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posted 01 October 2003 20:36     Click Here to See the Profile for ttt111   Click Here to Email ttt111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ya ne daumaiu chto eto permanent ban - eto bil skoree vseg otkaz po 214b - ni k kakim zapretam v budushem on ne vedet.

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posted 02 October 2003 04:47     Click Here to See the Profile for raevsky   Click Here to Email raevsky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Est' otkaz v pis'mennom vide? Chto napisano pro prichinu otkaza?

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okhroust
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posted 02 October 2003 19:13     Click Here to See the Profile for okhroust   Click Here to Email okhroust     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Я не уверена по поводу отказа в письменном виде. Но на словах ей сказали - "а что ж вы это в прошлом году не поехали, зря время консульских работников тратили"...

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NatashaHa
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posted 09 October 2003 04:11     Click Here to See the Profile for NatashaHa   Click Here to Email NatashaHa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Y menya bila absolutno edentichnaya problema. V 1996 gody mi s mamoy podavali na visy. Po SCHASTLIVEYSHEY sluchaynosti, mi visi poluchili. No mama tak zhe, kak i vashem sluchae, po prichne plohogo samochustviya poehat' ne smogla. V 1999 gody ya pereehala v USA na PMZH. No vot yzhe v techenii 4.5 let moi roditeli ne mogyt menya navestit'. Prihoditsya mne pri lyboy vozmozhnosti priezzhat' v Moskvy. Kogda mama bila na sobesedovanii, ey tak i skazali: "Chto zhe vi ne poehali? Nashe vremya tol'ko potratili." Ny razve ne obidno takoe slishat'! Mozhno podymat', chto mi sami svoye vremya ne potratili, i den'gi, i NERVI, stoya v ocheredi 2 dnya!

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posted 09 October 2003 04:38     Click Here to See the Profile for ttt111   Click Here to Email ttt111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Znaiu mnogo sluchaev liudei v situatsii kogda oni poluchali visu i ne ehali, prichem real'nih prichin ne ehat' en bilo, t.e. prosto ne ehali i vse. Visi potom davali bez problem.

V vashem sluchae ( poslednii poster ) raznitsa v situatsii ochen bol'shaya, t.e. kogda pevii raz vasha mama podavala na gostevuiu visu, u vas ne bilo PMzh, a teper' est'. Na litso "semeinii podryad" v immigration intent.

No eto ne vazhno, consul'skie rabotniki daiut takie obyasnenia ( kotorie ne obosnovani ) zakonom prsot potomu chto bi "zavershit'" besedu po bistree.

Esli vi otkazhetes' ot green card, naprimer i syadete na H1B, to ya pochti uveren chto vashei mame skoree vsego dadut visu - a dalee podavaite na green card opyat' i mama budet k vam ezdit.

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NatashaHa
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posted 09 October 2003 23:42     Click Here to See the Profile for NatashaHa   Click Here to Email NatashaHa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spasibo za sovet, ttt111.No vot tol'ko menya odolevayut somneniya po povody togo, chto ne stranno li eto zvychit: VDRYG ya reshayu otkazat'sya ot GC. Kak-to, kak govoryat americanzi, does not make sence. po kakoy prichine? Da i potom ya ne yverena, chto smogy prodolzhat' raboty. Ya rabotayu v arhitecturnoy/dezain firme, v kotoroy po ystavy ya, kak slyzhshii, dolzna imet' americanskii pasport ili GC. Otkazat'sya ot svoego polozhenia ya nikak ne mogy! Chto zhe delat'?

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ttt111
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posted 10 October 2003 00:41     Click Here to See the Profile for ttt111   Click Here to Email ttt111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Po zakonu, esli vasha rabota ne svyasana s gosudarstvennimi sekretami, vasha kompania ne imeet prava otkazat' vam v emplyemente, esli u vas est' pravo na rabotu vidannoe INS ( ili BSCIC - kak oni tam seichas nazivaiutsa ) oni ne imeiut prava vas discriminirovat'. H1B kak raz I budet vashe pravo na rabotu. Tut tol'ko niuas - podat' na H1B dolgna vasha kompania.

Esli vi tsennii rabotnik, to sdelat' H1B - eto erunda. Bolee togo - sudya po vsemu vi zamuzhem za amerikantsem - vi poluchaete H1B, vasha mama poluchaet tur visu, vi tutzhe podaete na AOS I podaete na EAD. V techenie 3 mesyatsev vi poluchaete EAD I bolee ne zavisite ot vashei kompanii v podderzheke H1B, a dalee poluchaete green card v obichnom poryadke.

Otkaz ot green card: vi viezhaete za granitsu I podaete v kosul'stvo spetsialnuiu formu ( zabil ee nomer ) gde kak prichinu otrkaza stavite "I do not reside in USA anymore". Kakie tut eshe mogut bit' voprosi? Poka vi poluchite H1B, poka v'edete, poka vasha mama podast na B visu, poka vi soberetes' I podadite na AOS opyat', 30 dnei uzhe proidet I vas obvinish ni v chem ne mogut, tak kak vi opyat' pomenyali svoe mnenie I hotite snova reside v USA.

Vashu mamu vryadli kogda pustyat tak kak ee situasia kak podozrevaiu uzhe ne izmenitsa ( unless ona videt zamuzh za Romana Abramovicha naprimer ). Tut libo vi zhdete grazhdanstvo I vasha mama poluchaet immigratsionnuiu visu, libo vi idete ne standartnim putem, kotorii ya opisal vishe. Da, na vtoroi put' nuzhni guts, I iz pochti milliona immigrantov v god na eto sposobni tolko 10 chelevek, ostal'nim kolbasa vazhenee chem sem'ya ( eto ya ne k vashemu sluchaiu konechno zhe, a k tem u kogo suprogi s det'mi sidyat po mnogo let za bugrom )

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posted 10 October 2003 04:36     Click Here to See the Profile for NatashaHa   Click Here to Email NatashaHa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spasibo ogromnoe, ttt111.
Posizhy,porazmisluy nad vashey informaziey. Svoim mneniem/resheniem obyazatel'no podelyus'.
Y menya vopros: na skol'ko vasha, ttt111, informaziya kompetentna? Ne primite eto, konechno, nepravil'no, --ya ochen' blagodarna za razyacnenie. Vot tol'ko viglyadit vse dovol'no-taki seryezno. Ne hochetsya sdelat' slychainoy oshibki. Ved' ya yzhe bolee 4 let s GC -- skoro nado zadumat'sya o grazhdanstve. Esli ya siechas otkazhus' ot GC, znachit li eto, chto potom mogyt bit kakie-libo oslazhneniya. Sem'ya, konech-no zhe, vazhnee kolbasi, no v moem sluchae schast'e moih blizkih zakluchaetsya v moey zhizni -- ya edinstvennii rebyenok.
Eshe raz Spasibo.

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posted 10 October 2003 05:09     Click Here to See the Profile for ttt111   Click Here to Email ttt111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ya ne advocat, I po-etomu prezhde chem chto li bo delat' - vam obyazatel'no nado prokonsultorovat'a u advocata I prinimat' reshenie tol'ko po ego recomendatsiam

Tut problema vot v chem, dazhe esli vi otkazhetes' ot green card, to garantii sovsem net chto vashei mame dadut B visu. Ei vse ravno pridetsa dokazivat' svyasi s rodinoi, hotya situatsia uproshaetsa - tak kak u nee ischesnet svyaz' s USA. Po etomu vsya eta zateya mozhet s treskom provalitsa. Dlya togo zhto bi vvezti supruga - zdes' situatsia proshe - tak kak suprug budet podavat' na H4 - a zdes' nikakih svyaei s rodinoi dokazivat' ne nado - etu visu prakticheski vsegda daiut.

Vi uzhe 4 goda s GC. Kak vi ee poluchili? Zherez brak s grazhdaninom? Esli vi eshe v brake - to chego vi ne podaete na grazhdanstvo zavtra? Te kto poluchili GC cherez brak I vse eshe v brake s citizenom USA - im nuzhno zhdat' vsego 3 goda. Esli vi popadaete pod obiknovennuiu kategoriu, to cherez 4 goda 9 mesyatsev vi uzhe mozhete podat' na grazhdanstvo, Primerno cherez 1 god ono u vas budet ( zavisit gde vi zhivete ), eshe primerno cherez 1 god vashei mame dadut immigratsionnuiu visu ( t.e. primerno 3 goda ozhidania ). Esli ona ne hochet immigrirovat' v USA, to posle togo kak ona v'edet v USA po immigratsionnoi vise - ona mozhet vernut'sa nazad v Rossiu I otkazat'sa ot green card. Vot v etom sluchae - shanci togo chto ona poluchit B visu potom - kraine visoki ( otkaz ot green card - ochen' horoshii pokazatel' otsutsvia immigratsionnih namerenii - chelvoek sam otkazalsa ot garantirovannogo residenstva)

Dalee, dazhe s polucheniem H1B mogut bit' problemi. Sam approval to poluchit' bistro (premium processing), no u vas es't shansi vpopast' pod administrativnuiu proverku - chto mozhet I zatyanut'sa, a mozhet it net.

V liubom sluchae - k advocatu!

PS: pro oslozhnenia s otkazom ot green card i potom podachei na nee opyat' ya ne slishal. Zakon etogo ne zapreshaet dlya liubih prichin. Vernee, tam mozhet vozniknut' problema dlya teh kto otkazicaetsa ot green card iz-za taxation, no mne kazhetsa vash case daleko ot etogo ( tam nuzhno imet' dostatochno visokie dohodi )

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posted 10 October 2003 15:54     Click Here to See the Profile for Vasya_V     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Тетете, вы какие-то уж совсем мрачные вещи советуете Я понимаю, отказаться от ГК и перейти на H1B, чтоб ввезти мужа/жену. Там успех почти гарантирован, да и человек приезжает для постоянного проживания с тобой. Такой поступок действительно имеет под собой основания и он действительно сильный.

А отказаться от ГК, чтоб приехала мама... При том, что никаких гарантий нет (т.е. я согласен, что шансы возрастут, но с другой стороны могут возникнуть подозрения в махинациях каких-то) и при том, что речь идет о временной поездке... Куда проще встречаься с мамой в России или в третьй стране, Англии например Что она тут не видела в этой Америке?

Я думаю, что автору нужно пытаься долбить стену через сенаторов/МАРП и прочие пути. Это может занять длительное время. Ну а там уже и гражданство подойдет и можно будет по иммиграционной линии вызывать человека.

Вот в чем я с вами полностью согласен - так это в том, что консул далеко не всегда называет истиную причину отказа.

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posted 11 October 2003 04:28     Click Here to See the Profile for NatashaHa   Click Here to Email NatashaHa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Da vot tak i prihodit'sya vstrechat'sya inogda na "neytral'noy territorii",no delo ne vtom, chto "Chto moya mama v Amerike ne videla". America dlya menya seychas -- moy dom. I sovsem ne vazhno v etom smisle gde ya bi zhila, hot' v kakoy luboy strane: dlya menya glavnoe podelit'sya s roditelyami bolshoi chast'yu moey zhizni -- moim domom, novim bitom, okruzhayushey sredoy, obshestvom... A seychac do sih por prihoditsya fotografii pokazivat': zdes' y nas kuhnya, zdes' spal'nya, zdes' sad i t.d. I smeshno, i grustno.

MARP deystvitel'no ideya ne plohaya. Obyazatel'no poprobuem. I pro Senatora -- tozhe est' nad chem zadumat'sya. Spasibo!

Ogromnoe spasibo vam, rebyata! Polaziv na website, ya obratila vnimanie, chto vashi imena (ttt111, Vasya_V) poyavlyayutsya dovol'no-taki chasto. Vashi otlichnie poznaniya prakticheski vseh tem, yverena, pomogli yzhe bol'shinstvy.

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